Who Do You Write For?

2886229996_2d7ab222a6_oEarlier today, I received a new comment from a lady in regards to the post Surprisingly Poetic, it read:

Why do you write in this peculiar, pretentious and pompous faux-Shakespearean prose? Eg ‘Thusly’ and ‘mine eye’? ‘It was a pleasure, nay an honour’? It is as if, verily, you are trying to convince people of how learned and erudite you are. The poem is terrible! Are you all serious?Awkward, clunking and derivative, it apes a style but can’t pull it off – it’s doggerel. All of the above reads like a Steve Coogan sketch – along the lines of “aha landlord, a flagon of your finest ale methinks”. If you are going to write, keep it spare and let your images paint the picture, don’t try and do it with this cringeworthy flowery language. I can’t get my toes to uncurl now, dammit.

It was an interesting comment, my response being, for those of you who haven’t already skipped back:

Hey Nadine, Appreciate you taking the time to read, criticism is always welcome, when positive. I do enjoy a good Steve Coogan sketch I must admit, but I am not trying to convince anyone of ‘how learned and erudite’ I am. I’m aware my writing is of a good standard but I don’t really prioritise or should I say compromise my writing to affect how I come across, as long as people like it, which quite a few seem too.

I enjoy throwing in some under used words that the English language is sadly lacking in these days, with its text and chav speak. Word play and old words have always been a source of enjoyment for many people. Of course you will no doubt have noticed that the post was written in the style of one of those old time tale tellers, hence all those types of words anyway. Adopting a certain style, enhances vocabulary and technique.

The poem, agreed, was not a technically skilled one, it was however, something of value, at some point between two people. That is what made it beautiful, technique can only carry a piece of writing so far, the point being that the words and their meaning become far more powerful to people when read in that spirit. Critical eye can become somewhat redundant in romantic cases.

As I said at the top of this email, I appreciate your reading, your comments, if nothing else, did make me think for a moment about how our blogs are read by people and what demographic our works should be aimed at, which is almost a post in itself. Anyways, hope you have managed to uncurl your toes by now, apologies for putting you into such discomfort.

So today I ask you, who do you write for?  I had not considered this before hand, I just wrote for the love of writing, I assumed that if anyone was to actually analyse our blogs or just a post, that it would be in a considered way, giving more understanding to the type of person and how their mind works and that would ultimately allow us writers to better ourselves.

Just like when you play a computer game, you don’t just play to win, you learn what the computer wants you to do to win and then tailor your approach to that. Okay rubbish analogy but the point stands, you read to comprehend how the blogger thinks, that way you perceive the nuances in their words and ultimately get more of a comprehension for the author out of it.

Don’t get me wrong, I am always happy to accept constructive criticism, if I wasn’t then I may as well give up writing now.  We can’t learn if we are not told how we are going wrong.  I appreciate, as well, that readers do not have a lot of time to spend reading blogs and getting down to our souls.  What I don’t think is fair though, to any of us writers, is sloppy criticism or misunderstood attacks on what we spend time lovingly preparing.

Have any of you come across commenters or other bloggers, who clearly misunderstand what you are trying to achieve, or what it is that drives us?  Or am I being to unfair myself on a commenter who, may have been trying to help me out and to be probably more than fair, I am writing this out as a direct response without sleeping on it first?

82 Replies to “Who Do You Write For?”

  1. I think the commenter was was saying that they didn’t like the style, only rather than just saying so, stated the parts that she felt were an affront to her. It would have been better (in my opinion) to say something like – “for me, the different styles didn’t work”

    I write because I like to.

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    1. Exactly, something better worded would have been fine rather than what I perceived as a bit of an assassination on a certain style, which I don’t think is even indicative of the style of my other posts. Still it does keep the day interesting and slightly amusing.

      You also write because we like you to, which is the second best reason anybody can write.

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      1. Well done for not doing what I would have done. I would have been hurt by the comments (after I googled half the words 😆 )

        And thank you for saying that people want me to write.

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        1. I was going to go on a random diatribe but what’s the point, the comment speaks for itself and does raise an interesting point about how many people misread or fail to understand the unique type of blogger that we all are. I think unless you do blog regularly then the understanding isn’t going to be there.

          Perhaps I am to analytical but this blog is getting decent hits and the support is immense, so an almost rabid comment doesn’t make much of a dent in my confidence. It is true that people want you to write, your stats and comments prove that every day. You ever get any vicious comments don’t let them dent your confidence, the only people worth listening to are the ones that have the capacity to criticise and then help you to be better.

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          1. I have to say, you took it much better than I would have. I could picture, say, atom bombs going off in my head. Criticism, aye, the Alice does not like – not rude bitchy criticism anyway.

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            1. It was tempting but I knew I would generalise to much and then end up ranting and accidentally insulting many people. This way I get to seem magnanimous whilst her vitriolic criticism is viewed as a worthless waste of typing time and I come out smelling of flowery language.

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  2. Admittedly, I am behind on my visits…but having just read this I am more than compelled to comment here first. I agree that constructive criticism can be very helpful. Down right rude and derogatory comments are not helpful they are hurtful…to the writer and the followers (friends).

    If anything shows an overly pretentious arrogance on the part of the commenter to show of their own verbal capability. I am not much surprised that one who was trying to tear down your style and manner of writing was using the very language in protest.

    I only want to say that I think you handled this with such style and grace you are further endeared to me. I don’t think I could/would handle it as well as you have.

    The truth is we write for ourselves and hope…nay…pray that one would look beyond our words to the soul who produced them so lovingly…as you so eloquently stated. I am in complete agreement that the words you sprinkle so charmingly throughout your posts need to be brought back and used in our modern day language and you do with such aplomb and style I stand in complete admiration and adoration of you! xxxx

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    1. Eloquently put as ever my dear. I had not thought of that point of the mirroring of the style I used, I wonder if she was trying to convince me of ‘how learned and erudite’ she is, lol. I have tempered my initial reaction which was a mixture of hilarity, bewilderment and annoyance to being polite, because it does good for one of us to be coherently sensible in any exchange.

      If I do seem erudite, it’s because I read and do my own learning post school. I have no intention to be pretentious about my enjoyment of the English language, although perhaps the comment was a fair reminder about the state of education, the lack of interest or ability to be bothered to continue after school and the dumbing down of society in general.

      Perhaps that is a post for another writer though…thank you for your words, they make me smile as usual….and then some more. xxxx

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    1. Thanks! I like yours also but perhaps my describing words would be to flowery and cause offence. Always happy t put a smile on your face!

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  3. Hello SteJ, my fellow blogger, what I’m about to say – and I like to think that perhaps I speak for a few more of “us” out there – is that there is an understanding, a politeness, an “etiquette” if you will, followed by the more intelligent, responsible, caring and discerning individuals who populate the blogging world of today. So here I address the exceedingly rude and not very nice person who responded to your post!

    If you have a problem with something that another person has written, JUST GO AWAY!
    It serves no useful purpose, whatsoever (except perhaps to illustrate what a very small person you are yourself) to come onto another person’s ‘blog site’ comment section and hurtfully attack their written words! I am sorry that your own life is of so little value and worth that you are actually comfortable with and can write the words your wrote to someone you don’t know, who has not hurt or offended you personally, in any manner, way, shape or form, while you write with the deliberate attempt to do so, yourself!

    I just now realized when I went to the post in question to find your own blog Nadine, to discover you have none (as far as we know), so are safely “hidden” while you write such poor spirited and mean words yourself. Talk about drivel! You can’t even stand up and be responsible for the words you write! It’s not your toes that are curled, it’s your mind – seriously so I might add!

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      1. Feel free, I will give you the polite version and a bonus offensive version so you can have a choice. Or mix them in, keep ’em on their toes and confused.

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  4. Confusion has caressed my brain…for I know not of what the lady speaks…I read the post titled “Surprisingly Poetic” and I don’t understand why your words and poem caused such a reaction! Perhaps I am not learned enough to offer criticism, I read for the emotion, for the transport beyond the ordinary…if you hook my emotion…if you draw me into the moment then you have succeeded. I felt your words were setting a mood and I fell into the mood. Your words drew me in, her words sent me scurrying away. Forthwith I speak no more…except to say that, when I write, I write for me…if the words produce an emotion in me…perhaps when I throw them out into the cold cruel world they will produce an emotion in someone else!

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    1. See intelligent bloggers get the point. It is the feeling of the piece, the enthusiasm and emotion, more than the words themselves. I read some books by authors who don’t write particularly well but they are compelling for the journey they take me on. I think if people just enjoyed the ride more it would be better. It is a lesson that I am glad to be reminded of, for sometimes I probably don’t do as much justice to some books and blogs as I could do. If this post has done one thing for me, it has reminded me to just enjoy they way each person is. You guys really do make my world go around and you should all be proud of yourselves and your blogs.

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  5. Well, wow! I’m just blown away by all the intelligent, flowery, eloquent, erudite language that I encounter here in your posts! From you, the writer, to the comments from your followers. From someone who does well with sit and stay and leave it!, I bow to you all!! And I think you should just send comments like Nadine’s to the trash. She must have been having a very bad day.

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    1. I think it fair to give right of reply though, when I know it will cause emotion in my fellow bloggers lol. I learn so much from each blogger I visit, I feel that her comment does a disservice to those who inspire me as well as myself. Plus it did get to me a bit and you guys as ever make me feel better.

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  6. I am just – wow – just – wow. See my erudite language here, and coming from an English major (twice over). God forbid you speak with intelligence, don’t you know that makes you an elitist! I’m not sure what the, er, lady who wrote the comment was, considering her own flowery-crap language, but honestly? Honestly? Lady, you’re kind of a bitch. Yeah, I said it. This is Alice, and you’re knockin’ my blogger pal here. Not necessary. Not even remotely constructive. Piss off. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re a Dragon Tales fanatic.

    Ah, there, got that out of my system. Do carry on, forthwith, dear gentleman.

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    1. Venting is an art that you do well, I did dab at ear from the orifice that leaks said water. Perhaps we should make this a mutual swapping of crap correspondences from uninformed people. I think we can then publish our witty (or not) ripostes. May as well make some cash out of them, they’d hate that even more.

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      1. The only real troll I’ve gotten was the guy who thought I was mean to Dragon Tales and a “farthead” which is truly erudite, I must say. I then inexplicably I started getting TONS of people finding my blog with the dragon tales search word. It has surpassed buttplug. It is just so freaking bizarre.

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        1. You gte all the amusing search terms, I get nothing like that…except grinning dog. It’s great to have the last laugh on these people. Dragon Tales, after a bit of a Google search, looks terrible and I loathe it already. What happened to good cartoons. How exactly is buttplug associated with your site again?

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            1. How Stetarded of me to not have made that connection. I met you because of that book, whish is the high point of the whole thing. I wish I could write like E. L James, now there is a powerful wordsmith.

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  7. any type of wordplay, at the discretion of any writer, is always fair game. in my humble opinion, criticizing a particular style of writing means favoring another, as simple as that. who are we to judge that one is superior over the other and beyond reproach.

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    1. Fair points all. Once we start picking what are good and bad styles then we lose the value of words in certain areas. Language throughout the ages is blended and melded into new ways of communicating each day. Diversity should be celebrated, either that or we all start writing short explanatory paragrpahs before any of our work, so everyone is clued in. The Horror!

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  8. You’re writing style is part of you & YOU are the one we come to see here!
    I don’t get why anyone would stop by & leave such a comment. If you don’t like something or someone’s style – then just move on to a blog style that suits you. Or – is that too much common sense?
    You handled the situation with Ste-style. I would have been like – F’u & deleted it. Not even given it another second thought. Haters…..

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    1. Ste-style, haha,you are the second person to use that term. It is a strange comment, perhaps a real olde worlde language hater or someone just bored and lacking common sense. I always appreciate all you guys that come here and come back again, repeatedly. Forsooth, I shall carry on with what wit I possess and keep trying to amuse, inform and amaze you, but not steal your watch.

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  9. May I make a possibly presumptious suggestion? And that suggestion is, to retaliate by becoming yet more erudite still, by doing a bit of research amid the tomes and tomes and articles and pieces which have been the “containers” of ink spilled on the academic subject of who exactly the ideal reader is. Especially since the advent of narratology and contemporary criticism on reader-response theory, there’s lots of potential ammunition out there with which to confront your critics, and I’m sure you could turn us out some interesting posts by the way of doing so. If I might make my own small p.s. of criticism, totally well-intentioned, it should be “whom do you write for?” But if you had been trying to put one over on your critical friend above, I don’t think you would have assumed the more conversable and casual “who” in the first place, so….

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    1. Ideal reader, now there is a thought indeed…I shall look into this, so thanks for suggesting such an intriguing idea, with loads of ammo for come backs should I need them. I must admit, I didn’t do much in the way of checking my work, I just hammered out a reply and posted…who/whom really is an obvious one…I need to get a handle on that as it has happened with various words lately. Now that was a way of pointing out how to improve my work that I did appreciate.

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  10. The poor woman (certainly not a lady) is, I think, not only bored but boring. I for one, am quite fond of what she calls peculiar, pretentious and pompous faux-Shakespearean prose. The poor woman has obviously not heard of writing for the situation. If you’re writing a modern YA novel, obviously your not going to use thee, thou, forsooth and verily – unless, of course, your novel is set in the days when that was the common tongue. Methinks the aforementioned woman is tinged with shades of green. If we were to take her at her word, there would be no movies based on the plays of Willie Waggledagger, and no movies based on the books of Jane Austin. For those of you out there in Blogdom who are Mr. Darcy fans, may I suggest that you find where this woman works and form a picket line forth with! LONG LIVE THE STE-J. DOWN WITH CRITICAL CRETINS

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    1. Willie Waggledagger, that amused Ste greatly. I must say all the points that you guys make, apart from coming heroically to my aid are extremely logical and common sensical. Perhaps Mrs literary critic is not as learned as she appears to be. I would like to see that picket line….perhaps we could start a clothing line also. All money donated to awesome blogs everywhere.

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  11. Fans of your work (yes, you have an unofficial fan club, in case you didn’t know it. We don’t hold weekly meetings yet but perhaps we should and might in the future.) love your blend of wit, intelligence, tongue-in-cheek, humility, and old world charm. I’m guessing this person was just someone passing through and badly in need of coffee.

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    1. Hold your meetings around mine and I shall make some tea, there may also be a free T shirt in the offing as well, or at least the idea of it as I am on an equal wealth footing with those church mice in the 1973 Disney animated version of Robin Hood.

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  12. Haha! don’t sweat it. If you ever went to my about page you would see I write terribly and with awful formatting, punctuation and everything else good that goes with the english language. Tomeiwouldntcareifyouwrotelikethisasiwouldstillreadit! LMAO You can NOT please everyone as we are all different. Huge hug to you…Paula xxxx

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  13. I agree with my blogging friends above and I believe the 99+% of bloggers around the world. We are here to support each other in the ways we express ourselves. If we don’t want to follow someone or read their work – it’s all so easy to unsubscribe or simply move on to the next blog. For me, I learn so much from reading each blog I come across. If we can’t be ourselves in this universe, where can we be ourselves. As those above have expressed, you handled this with grace – I probably would have sulked around for a couple of days allowing the extremely rude person to crawl under my skin and then slung back some oh so not nice words. Plese, do keep on with what is in your heart. We are all individuals and that, to me, is what makes this blogging world such a wonderful place to be.

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    1. A while ago my confidence may have been affected by such unfounded critiquing but now I am happy to laugh it off. To be perfectly fine, if my writing was/is rubbish as long as you talented people see something in it you like then I am content to keep writing and visiting.

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  14. I think this commenter was outright rude, to say the least. I get to fly off the handle easily myself and for that matter my response would have been equally rude. 🙂 At the same time, I would respect the feelings of bloggers. I must say you handled your response with utmost finesse, James. I enjoy your posts, the few times I get to come here 🙂

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    1. The response wasn’t quite what I first started to write but I tempered it, as it is much more of a statement when my fine fellow bloggers came in to defend me. Wonderful the lot of you.

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  15. I started writing my quirkybooks.wordpress.com blog for writing pleasure but with the hope that people would like what I write about, that is predominantly about writing. I ;love this subject and think most other bloggers do to. Like you, I hoped it would improve my craft and I think it has done. When I first saw her comment, I thought it was one of those spam ones as it doesn’t appear to be written like a normal comment. I love your reply and I enjoy your own writing style. We are individuals with our own writing styles and I think that is a great thing.

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    1. Diversity is great and all the writing styles on here help influence and grow my own and let me tell you it is of a really high standard. Your writing is great, may I say and I always like to pop over to your blog whenever I get a moment to actually do some blog browsing. Keep up your writing, it inspires many people.

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      1. Ahhh bless you. Thank you so much. Am I allowed to quote that on my new look quirkybooks.net author website, that is currently being constructed? Of course I would link to your blog.

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          1. Thanks you, thank you thank you. Much appreciated. I will let you know when I have added that to my site. Got to finish the beatredundancyblues.co.uk site first and then I will be doing the quirkybooks.net site next.

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  16. Well – truly I don’t think any of us here at have an obligation to read or comment on any particular blog or post if it’s not what suits and/or serves us… So to me, having a need to comment in the fashion that this particular individual chose to, seem harsh and inappropriate. I would have to ask this commenter what it might be “about her” that provoked her to have such a strong reaction to this rather lovely and unoffensive post of yours. Just my humble opinion Set J. I agree with others, your response was in excellent taste! ~ Write on – and Write what “makes YOUR heart sing”… usually if you are in your “zone” others will feel that, and enjoy it too. Every now and then some might project their own issues, and explode – and it that case – you might always reserve the right to delete the comment!! 🙂
    Love to you ~ RL

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    1. I did find her on Facebook and am tempted to link the last post to her, purely from malice, but perhaps it would be beyond her to comprehend the points you guys articulate. You are, of course right, enthusiasm is more of a factor than writing skills when it comes to the joy of reading. The love of writing is so abundant that it always makes me happy. Maybe she was jealous of our community, strange as all are welcome, if they have a bit of decorum.

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      1. oh interesting that it was an “outside” commenter. I only get very few of those since I am not hugely involved with other social networking sites. It is funny how I landed here – my college-aged daughter said I needed a blog because I was crowding her Facebook feed with nature photos I was posting on my wall! That was it – next thing i made a WP blog – and saw there was an “about” section to fill out — thought I’d share my tale of woe etc… and for some reason it turned into a lot more then I ever imagined. Crazy how things happen at times. In any case, you just keep doing what you do dear friend ~ James it is then! 🙂 So much easier than fighting the spellchecker — Gertie – I had an Second Aunt named that! lol! x RL

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        1. Then the name Gertie would only cause confusion and people would look at me funny. It is great how people embrace one another here and so fully. Facebook can get a bit clastrophobic with serial posters, no matter how awesome the content, lol. Anyway I am glad you came on here so I could enjoy your work and chat randomly at you. Silver linings and all that.

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  17. Is she a spammer? LOL. Hugs, Steve. We can’t please everyone. It happens that your writing is not her style and she perhaps wanted things to be how she likes it. I really like the way you write. I can’t find anything wrong with it. If you sound intellectual, do you have to stoop down so other can reach your level? I don’t think so. You write because u want to express yourself. How can you do that when you always remind yourself to refrain from “crafty flowery language”

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    1. She is a real person, I found her on Facebook, lol. I like to do my research. Thank you for the hugs and compliments. I can’t imagine anyone on here talking down to people, we write in our own voice, if it is to difficult to understand or just not in a style that gels with us we move on, no harm done. Some people are just weird. It does make me wonder how some people get through life though when they are like she was. I shall continue on regardless and hope to keep you all entertained for years yet.

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  18. Ste J, I have been out of town so once again am behind on reading posts. I too welcome constructive criticism as I believe it is a useful tool for growth. Nadine seems to be hiding behind her hurtful words, which I find quite sad. No one’s blog is going to appeal to everyone but I believe we have to find our own voice and use it. I have to remind myself of that quite often when I read others’ blogs and begin to compare my writing. I believe we all have to write for ourselves and the connections to other, like-minded people will follow. You write beautifully, but obviously will never find that connection with Nadine. We are all unique, which makes for a most interesting world. It it truly a shame that Nadine could not find it within herself to say, ok this is not my style, and just move on. Keep on just as you are dear friend. Your loyal followers are listening and loving you! 🙂

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    1. Your kind words make writing worthwhile. I wouldn’t mind if that was my style but it was a pastiche of the original style. Sadly she didn’t explore enough to grasp this. I love my regulars and hope to entertain them for a long time to come. You have no need to compare your writing to others for you write some of the best posts around and have no need to put your work against others…we are a rich tapestry of artists around here.

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  19. I find the language of old to be quite beautiful. Even the documents written by US founding fathers were very beautifully written. We just don’t speak or write that way anymore. Pity too. I liked your poem, but different strokes for different folks. As for who I write for – myself first and foremost. My hope is that a few others might enjoy or get something from it. Trying to please everyone is a fruitless endeavor. Write what you like in the way you feel is best for you. Harsh criticism is hard to swallow sometimes and writers feel the pain of it just as much if not more so than anyone else. But we voluntarily open ourselves up to it, so we must bear it with a smile unfortunately. I thought your reply to this was great. I might have told her to take a flying leap, but I doubt it. 😉

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    1. I almost did tell her where to go, but it seems my fellow bloggers were prepared to do that for me lol. I love how we all come together from all corners of the world. You have an awesome blog and I enjoy going there when my time permits…there’s never enough these days. it is best that we write for ourselves, it’s great how many people I never would have thought of following have grabbed my attention and I have grown as a person in learning different perspectives. It makes me a better writer and i suspect a lot of others.

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      1. That’s true, Stet (is that correct?) and I love my blog family or at least I love all but the one commenting presently on my 4th of July post. Pretty nasty. But I appreciate your compliment and I so understand the time thing. If not for that I’d be here more often. 🙂

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        1. I just went and read the comments that they had put, they are both ignorant and wrong, as you know with your eloquent replies. People like this are either stupid or really susceptible to media propaganda. I think their spelling is amusing as well. I usually go by the name Ste J. I like to think it makes me sound younger!

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